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What is it?

Post by drrot » Sat May 30, 2015 7:49 am

I went to look at a Gar Wood split cockpit the other day and found this old triple cockpit. Any idea what it is? Some details. Single cockpit up front and large double cockpit behind the engine. High crown front deck. The entire dash has been replaced. The windshield was added but the other deck hardware looked original. As has lot of the boat. There is a Hacker tag over the steering column. The sides are blind screwed. The fuel tank fills in the center of the aft deck but the tank goes towards the Starboard side. The frames and engine stringers are lightly built. Currently has a Ford 59AB Flathead V-8. My guess would be 22' long. Didn't have a tape. Bottom had been replaced with plywood but looked like single plank.
I ran the registration and it has been reissued to a Wagemaker outboard.
ANY IDEAS??
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Re: What is it?

Post by Captain Nemo » Sat May 30, 2015 9:45 am

Sea Lion? Did you buy it? Looks like an interesting find.
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Re: What is it?

Post by Brian Robinson » Sat May 30, 2015 11:00 am

Schillo?? Ha.

I don't think it is a Hacker... I'll keep looking
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Re: What is it?

Post by drrot » Sat May 30, 2015 12:39 pm

Have not bought it. It is blind screwed. Schillo was screwed from the outside. It is 23' 1" long and 6' 2" wide
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Re: What is it?

Post by boatxplorer » Sat May 30, 2015 6:45 pm

I'm going with Hacker. My 1924 had that same screw cap vent and drum light. They had no lifting ring but had a pair of cast stringer hooks under the front floor boards. I've even seen that cockpit configuration in an old Hacker ad. Windshield is not correct. In '24 they were frameless with a wood base and center post, rounded edge split glass. Bow deck had high crown with slope down from cockpit toward stem at bow. Just my $.02

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Re: What is it?

Post by drrot » Sat May 30, 2015 7:42 pm

I'll have to check the lifting arrangement. Iron rods with circles bent on the end are there now. I have not seen a Hacker with that cockpit configuration and high deck crown yet. Still looking. If you have photos post them :D
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Re: What is it?

Post by Brian Robinson » Sat May 30, 2015 7:49 pm

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Re: What is it?

Post by drrot » Sun May 31, 2015 7:51 am

You da man :D :D :D
And tell pops thanks for saving his old magazine subscriptions :lol:
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Re: What is it?

Post by MikeM » Sun May 31, 2015 9:21 am

I was going to say Hacker.....but I guess I ran out of time.
1929 Hacker Craft Dolphin, 24'
1940 Century Utility, 17'
1947 Chris Craft Special, 16'
1947 Chris Craft Sportsman, 22'
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Re: What is it?

Post by Don Vogt » Sun May 31, 2015 10:45 am

yes,the lines of the boat (straight but relatively narrow), and the gas cap seemed to suggest hacker. I think the double after seat is rather unusual, though? Brian, did anyone else make that layout? new to me, anyway.
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Re: What is it?

Post by Brian Robinson » Sun May 31, 2015 1:09 pm

Don,

That was a popular configuration amongst many manufacturers in the early 1920s, including Chris-Craft.
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Re: What is it?

Post by joanroy » Sun May 31, 2015 1:39 pm

I'd offer $2,750 for it.

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Re: What is it?

Post by Don Vogt » Sun May 31, 2015 2:22 pm

thx brian, learn something new every day.
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Re: What is it?

Post by charlesquimby » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:44 am

Has the same low freeboard astern as Hacker's "Fleetfoot" design from the early 1930s. Did Hacker-built boats construct with hidden fasteners? Widely-spaced topside frames are another Hacker trait. 22-24" on centers. BTW, the Fleetfoot design was availible in 22 and 24-foot configurations. At the stern, the amount of freeboard from waterline to shear is about 18 inches. Johnny liked a lot of flair, low freeboard aft and no lift rings. The "Fleetfoot" design was marketed by Brooks Boats, West Saginaw, Michigan. Catalogs are rare, but the boat is pictured therein. I have a 24-footer, and know of only one other in 22 feet. The Hacker badge may be misleading. Were Hacker-built boats serialized? The "Fleetfoot" is also mentioned in Jas. P. Barry's book, Hackercraft. CQ

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Re: What is it?

Post by charlesquimby » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:47 am

Jim... Does the boat have a radiused stern like the one shown in the old ad? CQ

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Re: What is it?

Post by drrot » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:23 am

Yup. It's a dead ringer for the one in the ad Brian posted.
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Re: What is it?

Post by Don Vogt » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:47 am

charles, how about some pictures? thx.
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Re: What is it?

Post by tkhersom » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:54 am

Nice find Jim! I look forward to seeing it on the St. Johns river cruise in a couple of years. :D
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Re: What is it?

Post by drrot » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:24 am

I'm too:
OLD
FAT
LAZY
for a project of that magnitude. Oh and busy too.
It'll make someone a fine boat but not me :lol:
I'm working with the owner to get it titled so I can broker it for him.
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Re: What is it?

Post by tkhersom » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:30 pm

OLD "Nah, your not that old!" :shock:
FAT "You don't seem that fat to me, but look who's talking." :oops:
LAZY "I doubt it." :roll:

BUSY "Ya I hear ya there!" :wink:
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Re: What is it?

Post by drrot » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:59 am

Troy are you trying to be nice so you get invited to the half off sale next year :lol:
I was able to visit the boat again this morning and answer some questions.
It has an off-set fuel tank.
No battens on the deck planking.
Has the bulkhead in the bow.
Has a Hacker tag but no numbers have been found yet.
Lift rings were added. They are iron and go to the keel.
Starboard exhaust changed for the V-8
Butt blocks look copper riveted
2 side planks run full length
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Re: What is it?

Post by Brian Robinson » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:08 pm

That's a Hacker alright.
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Re: What is it?

Post by Doug P » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:34 pm

drrot wrote:Troy are you trying to be nice so you get invited to the half off sale next year :lol:
So if Troy gets half off, can I get the other half off so it's free, right? :?:

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Re: What is it?

Post by drrot » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:38 am

Anyone know where Hacker put their hull numbers? Have not found any yet.
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Re: What is it?

Post by Brian Robinson » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:58 am

Hull numbers can be hard to find on the early boats. Mostly just the loose items like floorboards, seat frames, and hatches. Sometimes you will find it on or above the port chine at the bow aft of the cutwater but that usually has been sanded off.
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Re: What is it?

Post by tuobanur » Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:03 pm

drrot wrote:Anyone know where Hacker put their hull numbers? Have not found any yet.
Engine chocks?
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Re: What is it?

Post by ClassOf56 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:55 pm

So what happened? Did you bring it home? Is it still for sale?
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Re: What is it?

Post by drrot » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:42 pm

I'm too old to put that on my "ToDo" list. I worked a deal with the owner that once he gets title I'll broker it for him. $14.9K
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Re: What is it?

Post by jfrprops » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:32 am

that is not AGE Jim, that is WISDOM......

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