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Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:08 pm

Anyone know who is handling Dave's gel stains? Since he died his widow was doing it but it seems the phone is now disconnected.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:09 pm

Dave Jerome's gel stains I should say.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by tkhersom » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:37 am

Not sure, but I see the site is still up.

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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:04 pm

Tried it many times...number not in service.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by Brian Robinson » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:00 pm

Edit: Mike Mayer at LO Boat Co.(503) 638-1103 is now the go-to supplier for the boat colors of Jel'd.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:06 pm

Interesting, I talked to Wood-Kote directly. They told me Dave bought the materials from them and mixed his own colors.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:09 pm

I will order some and see if it matches! Thanks!
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by Brian Robinson » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:29 pm

Trust me, it's the same. Dave was funny about the formulas. He didn't mix them, Wood Kote did down the street. Call Mike Mayer, he is carrying the stain now.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:39 pm

Just ordered 6 cans, thanks Brian!
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by George Emmanuel » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:59 pm

Interesting thread....

I used Dave's gel stain and coated it with Pettit's 2018 penetrating sealer as recommended by Dave. I then started my varnish coats and when I pulled the tape, it pulled up everything down to the stain! In previous restorations I've used filler stains with the first seal coat being thinned varnish. I was/am not happy with the Pettit product. I did call Dave to make sure the gel stain was a mineral spirit based stain and he assured me it was. So I have no idea why the 2018 wouldn't penetrate. Won't do that again.

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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:23 pm

Interesting. I only use CPES and then only after the stain has outgassed thoroughly. I sometimes use thinned Epiphanes for a sealer but have found that CPES helps the build up of varnish.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:29 pm

Im thinking about mixing my own colors such as blonde, black for prewar covering boards, and other colors besides red mahogany by buying a can of wood-kote white and adding pigments. Any suggestions on what type of pigments I might try?
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by tkhersom » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:36 pm

Do they sell or have any of you made the Chris-Craft Vermilion from the late '50's?
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by Brian Robinson » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:58 pm

Troy, yes that has been formulated, but you will have to get hold of Mike. I was just thinking about Vermilion looking at the original cabinetry under the dash of this '58 21' Continental in the shop. A weird color - similar to regular 'red mahogany' yet somehow pinker/orange-er. BTW- got the engine box from your buddy there in Maine - working on it now, thanks.

Tom, the blonde would be the tricky one to formulate at home. Easier just to buy it from Mike as long as he is selling it. I formulated the prewar covering board mix everyone liked for Dave Jerome a few years ago when he was working on Paul Harrison's barrelback. It is just 3 parts walnut (stock Wood Kote color) to 1 part black (another stock Wood Kote color). This is an overstain meant to go over your red hull stain that has dried at least overnight. This is just a tad darker than the postwar technique Dan Nelson pioneered by using straight walnut Wood Kote over the red hull stain on the covering boards. I know Mike Mayer likes the look of straight black over red, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Staining is a highly subjective thing. One guy can say a color is "right" but that same mix on a different species or just a dark piece of wood can make a world of difference.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:25 am

Thanks Brian! I would love to just get them from Susan but I havent had any success.
How do I reach Susan? I have tried the number (s) several times and it says not in service!
Last time I talked to her in early December I ordered 6 cans and she said she will send them but nothing came.

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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:30 am

You are right about subjectivity. I mix until the customer is satisfied. The "blonde" colors on Capri's etc. have always been a crapshoot. I think I have seen maybe 3 boats done in the original "blonde" but its not at all the yellow you see now. The yellow comes from aging of course, and numerous coats of varnish but no one wants the original blonde on a refinish job.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by tkhersom » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:46 am

Brian Robinson wrote:Troy, yes that has been formulated, but you will have to get hold of Susan. I was just thinking about Vermilion looking at the original cabinetry under the dash of this '58 21' Continental in the shop. A weird color - similar to regular 'red mahogany' yet somehow pinker/orange-er. BTW- got the engine box from your buddy there in Maine - working on it now, thanks.
Thanks Brian! Now I will be trying to reach Susan, just like Tom has been. Mom's Continental has gotten much darker over the years, but my brother and his wife are doing one and they want to use the original Vermilion.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by cewplatt » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:06 am

I talked with her, she decided to stop providing stains. She was going to forward my information to a boat restoration shop that was going to take over and provide them, but was never contacted. I was unable to get a direct contact number or find out the name of the shop.

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Post by MikeM » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:11 pm

I have spoken with both Susan and SuperF to take over the stain supply. Apparently the arrangement they had with Dave wasn't Super Great because when they mixed the colors there was a lot of waste. They're working on a new program for me. As soon as this happens I'll get the word out.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by mfine » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:40 pm

Great news Mike! I hope every stain order from you will include a carefully selected scotch or bourbon pairing to drink during application.

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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by Greg Wallace » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:13 am

For what its worth, Century used a similar if not exact color as CC vermillion on the Roan and perhaps other models. Maybe the Century community can help.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by MikeM » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:01 pm

Thanks M-Fine....I'll run that past my legal team and marketing and see what they say. There may be a liability issue, though. Staining under the influence is probably not a great idea.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by MikeM » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:42 pm

For those of you waiting on the edge of your seat for the Gel'd Stain resolution....I'm pleased to say that I've just closed the deal with Wood Kote on Dave Jeromes line of Gel'd Stain. If you need some, know someone who needs some or would like to try some, please give me a call, send me an email or PM me on this site. More to follow.....
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by tkhersom » Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:26 pm

That is good news Mike! :D
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:59 pm

Great!
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by mfine » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:10 am

Great news. Now all I need is a boat that is ready for some stain. Perhaps the field of nightmares at Tavares will have what I need.

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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by joanroy » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:00 am

The only stain I've used on my CC is Interlux CC red paste filler stain. I'm generally happy with it. Is the gel stain better? Should I switch? What do you guys like about the gel stain?

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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:18 am

Joanroy,
Like you, I only used is Interlux but I tried this about 5 years ago and I dont want to go back. Main reason is ease of use and lot less waste. There is no mixing, just wipe on out of the can and wipe off. Also, with paste you have to be so careful you use the exact amount of thinner when you mix it or you get variations in the stain color. Not so with this.
I will say that this does not "fill" as much but with the number of coats of varnish we put on it is irrelevant. CC used only 5 coats at the factory so they had to fill as much as possible before varnishing.
I use it then let it cure for a couple days then use CPES which helps fill it. After that cures I lightly sand with 320 to remove the fibers that come up, then varnish away. Be sure the stain is gassed out before CPES or it will dissolve it some, just like filler stain.
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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by joanroy » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:59 am

Thanks Tom, How's the color? Is it pretty much the same as the Interlux?

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Re: Dave Jerome's gel stain

Post by boat_art » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:02 am

I cant tell the difference in the stain colors.
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